
Politics and Religion. We’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Wrong! We only say that nowadays because the loudest, most extreme voices have taken over the whole conversation. Well, we‘re taking some of that space back! If you’re dying for some dialogue instead of all the yelling; if you know it’s okay to have differences without having to hate each other; if you believe politics and religion are too important to let ”the screamers” drown out the rest of us and would love some engaging, provocative and fun conversations about this stuff, then ”Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other” is for you!
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Thursday Apr 17, 2025
Thursday Apr 17, 2025
In this episode, we sit down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, a widely respected, nonpartisan political newsletter. Isaac and his team bring a fresh approach to political journalism by curating multiple perspectives—right, left, and independent—on major stories of the day. Corey, a fan and avid reader of Tangle, dives deep into Isaac’s upbringing in Bucks County, PA, how that shaped his civic “multilingualism,” and the genesis of Tangle during a particularly difficult phase of his career. Together, they explore the challenges of journalistic ethics, political polarization, media bias, and the future of trustworthy news.
What We Discuss:
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Why Bucks County, PA, is so friggin' awesome! And why it plays a crucial role in shaping moderate political thinkers.
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How Isaac Saul built Tangle from the ground up as a response to media frustration.
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The journalistic principles and ethical guardrails that guide Isaac’s work.
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How to discern quality journalism in an era dominated by clickbait and misinformation.
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The dangers of polarization and what gives Isaac hope about our democratic future.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Isaac Saul shares the mission behind Tangle and what inspired him to create it.
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[00:05:00] Corey and Isaac explore how growing up in politically diverse Bucks County cultivated empathy and civic fluency.
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[00:10:00] Isaac discusses his unique way of reaching conspiracy-minded friends—by “using their language” and exposing financial incentives in media.
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[00:15:00] Isaac describes his journalistic background and the importance of reporting with integrity and skepticism.
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[00:24:00] Isaac recounts his “f*** this” moment that led to launching Tangle after being rejected from multiple major outlets.
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[00:34:00] Corey explains his methodical approach to reading Tangle and how it helps refine his own viewpoints.
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[00:40:00] Behind the scenes: How Isaac and his team choose stories and fairly represent both sides of complex political issues.
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[00:54:00] Isaac shares his hopes and fears about political division, executive overreach, and the role of media in democracy.
Featured Quotes:
- "The people who are really politically engaged on the right and the left right now are living in just different realities." – Isaac Saul
- "I know what I think. It’s the least interesting thing on the planet. I live with this brain all day. I want to hear what others think." – Isaac Saul
- "You should treat every click like you're handing a news outlet a dollar." – Isaac Saul
- "Centrism is an ideology in and of itself. I’m not trying to land in the middle—I’m just being honest about my real reactions." – Isaac Saul
Resources Mentioned:
- Tangle Newsletter – www.readtangle.com
- Isaac Saul’s TED Talk: “What Media Doesn’t Tell You” – youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=CjdQv94HzT04vknh
- How Media Bias Works (Tangle article) – www.readtangle.com/why-the-media-is-broken/
- Isaac on Twitter: x.com/Ike_Saul
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